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781
CB Radio Repair Forum / Re: Service monitor
« on: February 05, 2012, 09:34:30 AM »
Now this brings back memories

782
CB Radio Repair Forum / Re: STRANGE COBRA 2k
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:06:52 PM »
Oh yeah. I found what this is. It was called the card kit.  Never used any of those myself.

783
New member welcome / Re: new to the forum??
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:05:53 PM »
:) :), say hey, thehobo here?? just got on and looking for input and data for anything.. :-\

thehobo

Hi There thehobo. Welcome.

784
Announcements / Re: Agipsy
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:04:14 PM »
Hello   8)

785
Ham Radio Circuits and Repair / Re: Heathkit Apache TX-1 restore
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:41:15 PM »
Hey hackingdave.
Welcome to the site.  Restoring radio is my life.  It does make one proud to sit back and admire an old relic that you got working.  Most of the time we dont paint or change the appearance of a restored rig. Gives it character.

Good deal on the Madison. The frequency counter would be a nice addition to replace the clock with.  Hope you post up some pics when completed. That thing should shine :)

Wish I was good with tubes. I wouldn't mind doing a restore on something like this.
I have a Uniden Madison that is pretty much unmolested. It has channels and slider, but other than a repair to the clock, it has not been touched. I works good now, but I want to re-cap it, beef up the power supply some and remove the clock and insert a frreq counter. I will probably also change it to blue leds, but maybe not.
I think restoring a tube radio from the 50's would be something to be proud of.
Good luck.. keep us updated

786
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:31:25 PM »

Your welcome,I have a ques.does the tx run thru the center pin of coax or the shield?
I kno its a stupid one but on the diagram it looks like the rx is coming thru the center conductor ???


Good question,
The receive and transmit go through the center conductor. The receive is picked off through block labeled L.P.F

Here is another attachement that shows the receive, trans mit paths, along with the frequency and audio paths.

I will complete the other half of the schematic shortly




787
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:30:58 PM »
In the following pic you can see the path of the receiver through the "front end" of the radio. Also shown in dark green is the local and fundamental frequency paths to the mixers.



788
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:30:33 PM »
Now, what to do now eh?
You are probably thinking "thats not much to go on, you left out half the radio".

Well, yes and no.
This is the basic workings of a receiver and transmitter. If you will take the block diagram, the schematic, and the above info, you will see a whole bigger picture. But we are only starting with the basic radio.

It\'s the difference in knowing how to fix a radio or being a parts changer by the "shotgun approach". What is the shotgun approach? It is going in and changing parts without forst determining what is and what is not working. A lot of times you get lucky and replace the bad part. Most of the time you end up throwing the rig to the side.

The big three.
Radio may light up.
But has no transmit and no receive. That is what we call a dead radio.
Radio transmits but has no receive, Dead receiver.
Radio receives but has no transmit. Dead transmitter.

By using the above info you should be able to determine the problem in a matter of minutes.  By process of ellimination.
Find the stages that are working. Then elliminate each one.

Again, this is where your test radio comes in handy.
Dead radio. Do you hear anything in the test radio when transmiting? Or hear anything in the receiver while transmitting on the test rig?
The most possible cause of a Dead radio is the PLL and voltage rail.

The dead receiver or dead transmiter can also be caused by a missing voltage but maily one of the mixers  or OSC not working.

Weak receive can possibly be TR & bad or the protestion diodes just ahead of TR 7 bad. This happens when the front end is over loaded by strong signals such as some one keying a big amp up. Even static electricity on the antenna can take these devices out.

No output but can hear a 27 mhz signal in a test radio can tell you the final, driver , or prediver is bad. A completly dead transmitter can be as simple as the TX mixer has gone bad.

Other circuits we will discuss is :
RF Gain
Squelch
NB/ANL
AGC
Audio Circuit
Phase Lock Loop

789
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:30:08 PM »
The transmitter.

TR 20 (OSC) sends a 10.240 Mhz  (Reference  freq) signal to IC 3 (TX mixer). With the channel selector set to channel 1 a set of frequencies of 16.725 to 17.165 Mhz (fundamental freq) is also sent to IC 3. We now have our basic transmit frequency.
  If we add:
 16.725
+10.240
=26.965 Channel 1)


The signal is then passed to TR 16 (Buffer amp) TR 15 (Driver amp) and then to TR 14 (Final amp) From here it is sent to the antenna.

TX audio

The speech signal is pick up by the mic and carried to TR 17 (mic amp). This amplifies the speech signal and passes it off to IC 4 (audio chip). From there the signal is applied to the collectors of TR 15 and TR 16 for RF amplituse modulation.

790
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:29:42 PM »
The Receiver

This looks so complicated.  And over whelm the new person trying to read the schematic. So lets block this together to make it a bit easier.

 Let’s get to know what is happening in the AM receiver of this Cobra 29.
Go here and look at the block diagram:
http://www.cbtricks.com/radios/cobra/29ltd_29ltd_st_29wx_st/graphics/29ltd-st_29wx-st_sm_pg1_pg11.pdf

RF signals are picked up by your antenna, converted into energy and sent to the so-239 on the back of you radio. We will call these 26.965 to 27.405 mhz signal.  This signal is brought to TR 7. This is your RF amp. This amplifies the signal to make it more usable. The signal is then fed into FET 1. This is the first mixer. Lets say you radio is tune to channel 1. The frequency is 26.965 Mhz.. At the same time the PLL (IC 1) with the respect of the channel selected, IC 2 the VCO mixer sends the signal of 16.270 Mhz to FET 1 also. The signal produced at IC 2 will be from 16.270 to 16.710 (1 – 40).

The signal of 16.270 is then subtracted from the 26.965 Mhz signal yet producing our 10.695 Mhz signal.
 26.965
-16.270
=10.695
From there the signal passes through the 10.965 Mhz filter (FL1) and delivered to FET 2. This is our second mixer. At this point we are getting a 10.240 Mhz signal from TR20 (10.240 OSC) This is mixed with the 10.695 Mhz signal
 10.695
-10.240
=  .455 Khz
The signal is then passed through the 455 Khz filter (FL2) and then sent to the second IF amplifiers, TR8, TR 9, TR 10.  After the amplification the signal is passed through D4. This is our detector. Its purpose is to demodulate the signal for speech signal recovery.  The recovered speech signal is sent through the volume control, to IC 4 (audio chip) and finally to the speaker.  Where we plainly hear “Breaker 19, anyone got yer ears on comone?”

791
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:28:28 PM »
Testing components is a very important part in radio repair. Test equipment can get a bit pricey. As LC mentioned you can check transistors and diodes with a simple analog volt meter or a digital volt meter. A lot of times you will have to pull the device out of circuit to test it. I use an old RCA transistor tester to see gain. But most of the times it is my old analog meter I check with. I will also show you a simple way to build a transistor tester. With only a handfull of parts.

9 volt battery and clip.
68 ohm resistor
56k ohm resistor
led
N.O. push button switch
Red test clip
Green test clip
Black test clip.
Small case to house the components

You should still be able to find most of these parts at your local radio shack.
This is a good way for quick checks on transistors.



792
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:27:25 PM »
Ok, Back to the radio...

No Receive.
Each question will be followed by a NO and YES answer.

Is there hash in the speaker?

NO Run you finger over the audio chip or do the metal probe on pin 4. If still no noise check pin 10 for 13.10 volts. You can check rest of the pins and make sure the voltages are as followed:
pin 1- 13.7 pin 2- 6.63 pin 5- 1.14  pin 9-6.86  pin 10-13.10 Rest of the pins should be at zero. For some reason you vave the same voltage on many pins look for a bad ground. If you have 13 volts (supply voltage) on 3 or more pins most likly the chip is bad.  If there is no sound at all and all the above is good then make sure the mic is wired correctly.  If ok then check ffrom the output of the chip towards the speaker.  work your way towards the audio transformer and check C46. This is a coupling cap. Now work you way through the PA switch and the external speaker jack and then to the speaker. Make sure you check all caps along the way. These cap isolate DC from the audio line.
YES

Is the Receive indicator light on?
NO The receive LED is fed from R113. Check the 8 volt receive supply regulator TR23. Check C119. It is  underated and fails often. Replace it with a higher voltage cap. Check the zener diode D22. It has a high failuer rate also. If D22 or C119 fails this will remove bias from TR23. That is all the voltage rail for the Receive supply.
YES

Does pin 11 of IC 1 have 5 volts?
NO Check D19. There should be 5 volts on it. If R124 is warm then most likely C112 has shorted.  If the voltage is low check C97.
YES

Is the 10.240 oscilator working?
NO There are a lot of components in this circuit. We know the voltages are ok because of the checks that got us this far. Either the crystal is bad or there is a bad solder joint. D6 is a varactor diode. This is a diode capacitor combination. If the internal capacitance changes the circuit will not oscilate.
YES



More later

793
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:26:55 PM »
Ok,
Here is out network to complete the output stage of the generator. As you can see the divide by 10 stages can daisy chain from each other. Each section must be in it\'s own sealed box. All componet leads must be as short as possible. You can use the small teflon coated coaxial cable to connect is stage. Do this by drilling a small hole to pass the coax through then fold the braid back and solder to the enclosure.
Remember, ever component in this stage radiates RF.

I suggest finding and enclosure that will house the radio and other component. Also to house future upgrades that can be added. I would even reinstall the original covers on the radio. Everything must be grounded and sealed. So get you some aluminum tape.
More later


794
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:26:30 PM »
Tonight I am looking at showing you all how to convert a cobra 29 into a stable signal generator.
I will put what I can together and try to get this layed out. The generator will need to be 50 ohms, and produce a clean 100uv signal. This will be unmodulated. You will also have the option to drop the 100uv at 10 increment levels. this will be done with a simple divide by 10 network of resistors.

What we need.
A clean stable 100 microvolt signal. ( 100 uv is enough to set a S-meter to S9)
A way to drop the signal for testing the sensitivity and alignment of the receiver. (peak the stages)

The idea of the signal generator is that when you have a radio on nearby, and you turn the generator on with out being connected to the radio you want to test, you should not hear anything coming from the generator. This is going to take a bit of work and a lot of shielding to stop this from happening. The one I built years ago from the RCA co-pilot was mounted inside a steel chassis. The tuned circuits you build will also have to have there on fabricated boxes. These can be made of very thin tin sheets. As long as you can bed it and solder to it. No aluminum. You can also fabricate the boxes from double sided circuit board. This is easy to work with and has good sheilding.

So how do we start?
Looking at the cobra 29 schematic find the TX mixer. This is IC 3. Pin 9 of the mixer chip is your rf out. This goes to L20, the first tuned circuit in the output stage. From L20 we go to R63 then to C65. This is as far as we need in the circuit. Everything from the antenna side of C65 towards the antenna is useless. This is the section we will pick our signal off at and convert it to a usable signal.

At this point in the radio we are going to have around a 1000 ohms impeadance @ about 1 milivolt. As you can see we have to go a long way to get this to 50 ohms @ 100 microvolts (uv). The idea is to get this signal through a cable and to the radio under test and not through residual radiation from a poorly built leaky generator. So what we will do is take our 1 milivolt 1000 ohm signal and force it to 50 ohms @ 500 uv via a 1/2 divider network. To do this we need 3 47 ohm 1/4 watt resistors, 2 100 ohm 1/4 watt resitors.

If anyone see\'s error in what I am saying please jump in and let me know..
More later

795
How CB radio works / Understanding how CB radio works
« on: January 19, 2011, 12:26:02 PM »
What are all these components ??

I know when you are first starting out you look in a radio and say wow. These things are packed full of stuff. Let me see if I can help you out a bit.

TR 1- RF AMP                               TR 13- Squelch Clamp
TR 2- Buffer AMP                          TR 14- Final Amp
TR 3- Squaring AMP                      TR 15- Driver AMP
TR 4- Pulse AMP                           TR 16- PreDriver
TR 5- Pulse clamp                         TR 17- Mic audio AMP
TR 6- RF Gain Clamp                    TR 18- AMC Clamp
TR 7- RF AMP                               TR 19- ANT Ind switch
TR 8- 2nd IF AMP 1                       TR 20- REC/2nd IF osc
TR 9- 2nd IF AMP 2                       TR 21- TX supply switch
TR 10- 2nd IF AMP 3                     TR 22- Dimmer switch
TR 11- Squelch inverter                TR 23- Common 8 volt regulator
TR 12- Squelch AMP                     TR 24- ANT Ind inverter

FET 1- First RX mixer                    FET 2- Second RX mixer

IC 1- PLL chip
IC 2- VCO/Mixer
IC 3- TX Mixer
IC 4- Audio output / modulator

D1 & 2- Protection Diodes / Front end
D4- AM Detector/ AGC
FL1- First fliter
FL2- Second filter

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