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Offline MAC40

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« on: May 09, 2008, 08:10:49 PM »
Thanks to the Church of Christ, this couple will soon become the parents of some child.  Can you say "Mother?"  ... "Father?"

And some say biblical doctrine should be left to each individual\'s personal interpretation!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/fashion/weddings/27self.html

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 09:38:31 PM »
This makes me so sick, I want to do some very un-Christian things.  It goes against, science, biology, and God.   This old world does not deserve to be saved, but we knew that anyway.  I wonder why God doesnt\' give up on us, and sometimes I think he has.   We deserve that.

Church of Christ my arse.   Nothing related to the true meaning of the Bible can approve of this.  Nothing.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2008, 02:15:03 AM »
?????? I was expecting to see something of mas vulgarity.
GROW UP!
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 06:59:35 PM »
Why should a Gay couple be deprived of the right to share the love they have for each other with a child?

It\'s the "American Dream" to raise a family, why should we deprive someone of this dream just because they are homosexual?
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2008, 12:20:39 PM »
Duncan,

You must keep in mind that this website is also a Christian one. Many people here are Christians (including myself) and we believe strongly against gay/lesbian couples. It goes against everything god says.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2008, 12:26:48 PM »
That\'s OK. I was just voicing my opinion.

Find somewhere in the bible where it says that truly loving someone of the same sex is against God\'s word? It\'s not there. Jesus himself taught that it is OK to love men and women all the same. Neither God nor Jesus ever stated homosexuality is an abomination.

That was a view that the Church developed on it\'s own.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2008, 12:32:30 PM »
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That\'s OK. I was just voicing my opinion.

Find somewhere in the bible where it says that truly loving someone of the same sex is against God\'s word? It\'s not there. Jesus himself taught that it is OK to love men and women all the same. Neither God nor Jesus ever stated homosexuality is an abomination.

That was a view that the Church developed on it\'s own.


There is more to homosexuality than love.  Love can be free, and can be toward anyone, anywhere.     It is the sodomy part of it, the physical acts.  That is deplorable.
   It goes against re-=creation, which is why God made a man and a woman.  The plumbing is too perfect, no need to do the other acts.
Peace will not be found at a MidEast table. Peace began at a MidEast STABLE, but everyone seems to deny it.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2008, 12:40:07 PM »
Homosexuality like many believe does not automatically correlate to sodomy.  

Anyway, it\'s not homosexuality that God "frowns upon" it\'s sodomy. Sodomy can be a sin conducted by both hetero and homosexuals.

Just because someone is homosexual doesn\'t mean they have committed sodomy. Therefore the Church should have no problem. It is when an act of sodomy happens that the Church has a problem. Since they can not prove an act of sodomy has happened, only a suspicion, they should not frown up homosexuals. Really, if the Church would do that just because the chances of sodomy MAY be higher, then the Church would also frown upon heterosexual men, for they also have a chance of committing sodomy.

The only grounds that Church has to frown upon homosexuality, since the bible nor God ever said anything in depth about it, is sodomy. Using that as a reason to frown upon it is profiling, as straight men can also commit and act of sodomy.

The Church\'s views are based on a suspicion.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2008, 01:15:32 PM »
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2008, 01:40:08 PM »
So let\'s not condemn the just.

Homosexuality is just. It is loving one of your same sex. Is that not just?
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2008, 05:50:59 PM »
If its different, Its a sin, if its a sin we must hate it, if we hate it we must destroy it. Nice state of egocentricity. Not every one thinks the same nor should they. But out right hate for another human being does not sound Christian to me. Manipulating the bible to read as you interpret it does not change what it says. hatred leads to despair then to desolation followed by the abysmal plains of hell. This is where we shall spend an eternity in darkness being engulfed by flames, as we try to scream not a sound will ever come. Then as we are eternally silenced we truly understand this self inflicted incarceration.

There you go pseudo intellectual inclinations just like the bible.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2008, 06:18:30 PM »
Now much plainer does it get:

Leviticus 20
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.  

 Leviticus 18
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.  

 Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Peace will not be found at a MidEast table. Peace began at a MidEast STABLE, but everyone seems to deny it.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
Believing in  evolution is like expecting a tornado to go through a junkyard and create a Mercedes Benz on its way out!
If you don\'t stand behind our US troops, then please feel free to stand in front of them. Yea, that\'s what I thought..........

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2008, 06:56:39 PM »
But does that mean homosexuality is wrong?

It states sodomy is wrong, but does that make homosexuality wrong? One can\'t prove beyond reasonable suspicion that just because one is homosexual, that they will perform an act of sodomy.

If the Church wants to discriminate against someone, it should be sodomites not homosexuals. Homosexuality is the state of loving, or strongly caring for one of the same sex. NOT an abomination. Sodomy is different than homosexuality, that is an act.

Even then, just because one my commit and act of sodomy, should the Church hate them? No. God loves us all, and the famous and almost annoying quote "Hate the sin, love the sinner"
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2008, 08:21:14 PM »
I am just telling you what God spoke to be printed in the Bible.  Take it up with him.  Don\'t shoot the messenger.  


But how many homosexuals who are monogamous DO NOT have same sex sexual intercourse?  I doubt it is even 1%, if the truth is known.  

Like I said, I only quote DIRECTLY from the Bible.  I didn\'t write it or change it.  Gods Word is Gods Word, IMO.

:sucks:    Literally, I believe.     :eyepop:
Peace will not be found at a MidEast table. Peace began at a MidEast STABLE, but everyone seems to deny it.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
Believing in  evolution is like expecting a tornado to go through a junkyard and create a Mercedes Benz on its way out!
If you don\'t stand behind our US troops, then please feel free to stand in front of them. Yea, that\'s what I thought..........

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2008, 08:25:31 PM »
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But does that mean homosexuality is wrong?

Refer to the Bible.  Its pretty cut and dry.

It states sodomy is wrong, but does that make homosexuality wrong? One can\'t prove beyond reasonable suspicion that just because one is homosexual, that they will perform an act of sodomy.


If you read the quotes Crazy made you will see it speaks of lying together.   Lots of things happen when a man and woman lie together.  I won\'t go into that.  I\'m sure you get the idea.


If the Church wants to discriminate against someone, it should be sodomites not homosexuals. Homosexuality is the state of loving, or strongly caring for one of the same sex. NOT an abomination. Sodomy is different than homosexuality, that is an act.


The Church just holds true to Biblical standards.  If the Church didn\'t preach against sin and just told everyone to do whatever they wanted to do it would just be a social club.  Nothing wrong with a social club but thats not the purpose of the Church.  Sodomy is not the only issue.  Its the unnatural lust after one of the same sex and the acting on it.


Even then, just because one my commit and act of sodomy, should the Church hate them? No. God loves us all, and the famous and almost annoying quote "Hate the sin, love the sinner"




No Church I have ever had dealings with hates anyone.  All sinners including myself are welcome at my Church.  God does love us all.  He gave his Son to die on the Cross for us.  Thats how much he loved us.  He also gave us the Bible to tell us how to live.  None of us live up to it.  Jesus died to save us from our sins and if we believe in him we are forgiven.  This is not a license to sin.  We should strive to do the best we can.  Homosexuality is not worse than any other sin.  Sin is sin.  Ultimately God is the final judge not us.
OK, I\'m done.  I hope I explained everything so you can understand.  Its just not folks trying to be mean or discriminate but its just folks trying to follow the Bible.  The BSA takes the same stance by the way.  They always have.  They believe its not "Morally Straight".

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Chris